Homeschooling Freedom - the HONDA Edition

The military section appears in a new bill ...

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that is a DOD bill that will pass when it's voted on. Click on the title to head over to Cobranchi's to read about it.

Cobranchi on the military component

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Hop over to HR3753 blogspot for more on sec 10

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Tier 1 status for military enlistment is covered in Monday's post.

The college section of HR 3753

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Susan has a post over at the HILL blog.

2005-10-28T12:05:00.000-05:00

Back from vacation where we saw some Elk. It will take me a few days to get organized and caught up. The picture is from the Elk and Bison Prairie at Land Between the Lakes in Kentucky. The Bison were in hiding.

Working behind the scenes...

2005-10-21T19:09:00.000-05:00

Much of my work this week has been behind the scenes, so to speak. I gave a little (we're talking 2 minutes or so) talk on a conference call about using blogging and webrings to be politically active. This was my first step out into the "political world" outside of homeschooling issues. I learned a lot and next time I'm sure I'll do better. If anyone is interested in starting their own blog or webring, I now have a handy dandy handout to get people started.

HR 3753/ S 1691-Homeschool NonDiscrimination Act 2005

2005-10-21T19:00:00.000-05:00

There is a new piece on section 10 of HR 3753/S 1691 by Mary McCarthy. You can clink on the link in the blog title to take you there. There was quite a bit of information that I was unaware of in this article. Mary has footnotes and links for further reading. Just when I thought that all the information about HR 3753 had been discussed and I wouldn't be able to find more material, another person introduces something new into the discussion.

Bulletins #44 on HoNDA HR 3753 from NHELD

2005-10-17T12:35:00.000-05:00

I was emailed this today with permission to post it in its entirety. I felt like the blog fairy had stopped by my inbox.

Bulletin #44 HONDA Re-Introduced Examining Sections 1, 2 and 3 10/17/2005

NHELD is preparing a series of bulletins detailing, section by section, the exact language of HR3753/S1691, the "Home School Non-Discrimination Act of 2005" as proposed in the House and Senate. The bulletins will provide the exact language from the bill, along with the exact text of the existing federal law that the bill proposes to amend. The bulletins will also include NHELD's comments on those provisions.

NHELD is opposed to passage of any and all parts of this legislation. NHELD believes the entire bill should be killed and all previous federal laws already adopted having anything to do with the rights of parents to instruct their children at home should be repealed.

NHELD believes that there can be no compromises on any federal legislation regarding the rights of parents to instruct their children at home.

NHELD believes all federal legislation regarding the rights of parents to instruct their children at home, no matter how beneficial the legislation appears, is wholly unconstitutional, in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and must be defeated and/or repealed immediately.

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Did you know that even the "Findings" section of HR3753/S1691 contains misleading and dangerous information?

For ease of reference and because the House and Senate bills are identical at this point in time, the House version will be excerpted in these bulletins.

The entire text of the bill can be found at:

House version

Senate version

The preliminary section of the bill is as follows:

Home School Non-Discrimination Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)
HR 3753 IH
109th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 3753

To amend selected statutes to clarify existing Federal law as to the treatment of students privately educated at home under State law.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
September 13, 2005

Mrs. MUSGRAVE (for herself, Mr. BOEHNER, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. AKIN, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mrs. BLACKBURN, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mr. BURGESS, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. CHOCOLA, Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. FEENEY, Mr. FLAKE, Ms. FOXX, Mr. FRANKS of Arizona, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. GOODE, Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin, Mr. HAYES, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mr. HOEKSTRA, Mr. HOSTETTLER, Mr. HYDE, Mr. INGLIS of South Carolina, Mr. ISTOOK, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota, Mr. KING of Iowa, Mr. LAHOOD, Mr. MCCAUL of Texas, Mr. MCCOTTER, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mrs. MYRICK, Mr. NORWOOD, Mr. NUSSLE, Mr. OTTER, Mr. PAUL, Mr. PENCE, Mr. PITTS, Mr. PLATTS, Mr. RENZI, Mr. ROGERS of Alabama, Mr. RYUN of Kansas, Mr. SHIMKUS, Mr. SIMPSON, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. SULLIVAN, Mr. TANCREDO, Mr. TERRY, Mr. TIAHRT, Mr. WAMP, and Mr. WOLF) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Education and the Workforce, and in addition to the Committees on
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A BILL

To amend selected statutes to clarify existing Federal law as to the treatment of students privately educated at home under State law.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Home School Non-Discrimination Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds as follows:

(1) The right of parents to direct the education of their children is an established principle and precedent under the United States Constitution.

(2) Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court, in exercising their legislative, executive, and judicial functions, respectively, have repeatedly affirmed the rights of parents.

(3) Education by parents at home has proven to be an effective means for young people to achieve success on standardized tests and to learn valuable socialization skills.

(4) Young people who have been educated at home are proving themselves to be competent citizens in postsecondary education and the workplace.

(5) The rise of private home education has contributed positively to the education of young people in the United States.

(6) Several laws, written before and during the rise of private home education, are in need of clarification as to their treatment of students who are privately educated at home pursuant to State law.

(7) The United States Constitution does not allow Federal control of homeschooling.

SEC. 3. SENSE OF CONGRESS.

It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) private home education, pursuant to State law, is a positive contribution to the United States; and

(2) parents who choose this alternative education should be encouraged within the framework provided by the United States Constitution."

Sections 1, 2 and 3 of this bill do not purport to change any existing federal law. This is an introductory portion designed to give reasons for the necessity for adoption of the bill. Because these sections do not purport to amend any particular existing law, NHELD cannot reprint for a comparison any other federal law. In other bulletins regarding other sections of the bill, NHELD will be doing so. For now, NHELD will simply provide comment on this introductory section.

The purpose of the bill itself is objectionable.

"To amend selected statutes to clarify existing Federal law as to the treatment of students privately educated at home under State law."

Federal law does not need to be "clarified". The United States Constitution is abundantly clear in stating under the Tenth Amendment that the federal government has no delegated power to adopt any law regarding the education of children by their parents.

The Tenth Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The power to adopt laws affecting the right of parents to instruct their own children is not a power delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Therefore, that power is reserved to the States, or to the people. It cannot be clearer.

Any law, no matter how beneficial it may appear, that Congress adopts that affects the right of parents to instruct their own children or that affects the children who have been so instructed, is unconstitutional, should not be adopted, and if already adopted, should be repealed. It is just that simple.

The bill purports to clarify existing federal law as to "the treatment of students privately educated at home". If there is need to amend the "treatment of students", clearly, because that power is delegated to the states or to the people, the people in each state, if necessary, should seek amendment of their state laws.

Let's examine the Findings Section:

In the "Findings" section, it is stated that Congress has found that:

"(1) The right of parents to direct the education of their children is an established principle and precedent under the United States Constitution.
(2) Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court, in exercising their legislative, executive, and judicial functions, respectively, have repeatedly affirmed the rights of parents."

While the words may sound appealing, don't be fooled by them.

The United States Constitution says absolutely nothing about the right of parents to direct the upbringing of their children. This is a "right" "found" by the U.S. Supreme Court, and other courts, in a few cases "interpreting" the Constitution. The U.S. Constitution also says absolutely nothing about the "right" of "privacy" itself. Again, this is a "right" "found" by the courts in the "penumbra", or "shadows" of the Constitution.

Congress and the President have absolutely no business in "exercising their legislative and executive functions" concerning the right of parents to instruct their own children because the U.S. Constitution does specifically say that Congress and the President can only exercise their authority when expressly granted a power by the U.S. Constitution. All other powers remain in the states and in the people.

Again, see the Tenth Amendment:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Why are we allowing Congress to get away with such misstatements? Each and every Congressman took an oath to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution. The Tenth Amendment is still part of the Constitution. Each and every one of the Congressmen who sponsored this bill should be reminded of their oath in no uncertain terms.

Also, the federal courts do not have any jurisdiction to adjudicate cases and controversies involving the instruction of children by parents because that power was not delegated to the federal judiciary. The instruction of children by parents is a power that remains in the states or in the people. The federal judiciary only has authority to resolve cases and controversies involving federal issues or federal law.

Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution reads in relevant part,

"The Judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; - to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; - to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; - to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; - to Controversies between two or more States; - between Citizens of different States, - [and] between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States."

Furthermore, Article III, Section 1, states that federal "Judges hold their Offices during good Behaviour."

That section gives the people yet another means by which they can demand that judges who are not applying the Constitution in their decisions may be removed from office by impeachment.

In other words, it is now and always has been improper and unconstitutional for cases and controversies involving the right of parents to instruct their children at home to be adjudicated in a federal court, no matter how beneficial the outcome of a case has been or will be. Cases and controversies about the right of parents to instruct their children at home and the rights of children who have been so instructed, when necessary, are more properly to be adjudicated in state courts based on state law.

The federal judiciary in reality has no jurisdiction to hear any case involving the instruction of children by parents.

We must stop pretending that the U.S. Constitution says things that it does not. We must shout out loudly and clearly to the federal judiciary to stop this pretending.

Let's continue on in this examination of the Findings section:

The findings further say "Congress has found that:

(3) Education by parents at home has proven to be an effective means for young people to achieve success on standardized tests and to learn valuable socialization skills.
(4) Young people who have been educated at home are proving themselves to be competent citizens in postsecondary education and the workplace.
(5) The rise of private home education has contributed positively to the education of young people in the United States."

If this bill is adopted, we will then have a "finding of Congress" that "Education by parents at home has proven to be an effective means for young people to achieve success on standardized tests and to learn valuable socialization skills." Constitutionally, Congress shouldn't be involved in making "findings" on this issue in the first place. If allowed to stand, however, Congress, at any time in the future, could make an alternative "finding" as an excuse to adopt still more federal laws. Furthermore, Congress, by this statement, is establishing a standard that "success on standardized tests" and "socialization skills" are to be achieved. Congress can then adopt a law specifying that "success" on certain federally "approved" "standardized tests" are to be achieved and that certain federally "approved" "socialization skills" are to be achieved.&n

Congress also is identifying the instruction of children by parents as "private home education". Instruction of children by parents currently is not considered to be "private education" in all states. Some states have no statutes defining "home education" at all. Amazingly enough, in some states parents are free to instruct as they please. Congress can adopt other laws that specify that only "private home education" contributes positively.

In addition, the phrase "The rise of private home education" is an anathema and should be denounced emphatically as an abomination and complete distortion of historical fact. Parents have been instructing their children at home since the beginning of time. The phenomenon did not suddenly "rise" in the twentieth century. Only the terminology given to the instruction of children by their parents has changed. The term, "home school" has "risen" in recent years. The only thing that has "risen" in modern times is the number of people who understand anew that this is their parental obligation and who are undertaking the obligation to instruct their own children.

The next of the Findings section of the bill which is absolutely objectionable is the Finding number 6 which states that

"6) Several laws, written before and during the rise of private home education, are in need of clarification as to their treatment of students who are privately educated at home pursuant to State law."

The phrase, "pursuant to State law" is also objectionable in that parents in certain states may be free to instruct their children at home without reference to any "state law" such that their "home education" may not need to be "pursuant to state law". It's called freedom.

The "rise of private home education" is objectionable for the reasons already cited. "Several laws, written before and during the rise.are in need of clarification" is objectionable precisely because parents always have had the legal authority and the obligation to instruct their own children. Federal laws have been silent on this issue precisely because the Congress has no delegated power to involve itself in making laws on this issue. Since the year 2000, Congress, wholly unconstitutionally, has taken upon itself the authority to adopt and amend laws involving the right of parents to instruct their children. The only "clarification" these "laws" need is to clarify that they are wholly unconstitutional and must be repealed.

The last section of this Findings portion of the bill claims Congress has found that:

"(7) The United States Constitution does not allow Federal control of homeschooling."

The finding that "The United States Constitution does not allow Federal control of homeschooling" implies that the Constitution allows federal authority of some kind over "homeschooling". Congress effectively has taken upon itself to deem that Congress does have the authority to adopt laws of some kind affecting "homeschooling", hence, the proposal of this bill and all of the other federal laws it has adopted or proposed since 2000. Congress, then, has determined that it does have the authority, albeit wholly unconstitutionally, to "regulate" "homeschooling". The difference between "control" and "regulation" is merely a nuance of semantics. In reality, "regulation" by the adoption of any federal law is "control".

Section 3 of this bill, the "sense of Congress", also is an abomination.

It reads: "It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) private home education, pursuant to State law, is a positive contribution to the United States; and (2) parents who choose this alternative education should be encouraged within the framework provided by the United States Constitution."

Again, only "private home education, pursuant to State law" is deemed to be a "positive contribution". In addition, the instruction of children by their parents is being termed an "alternative education", when in reality, it is and always has been the primary form of education. Public and private schools have been the "alternative" for parents who were unable or unwilling to undertake their obligation to instruct their own children.

The phrase "should be encouraged" is objectionable because the federal government should not be involving itself in any way with the instruction of children by parents.

The phrase, "within the framework provided by the United States Constitution" is the only phrase that is not objectionable but it is doubtful that Congress actually has in mind the Tenth Amendment when it makes this statement. If Congress truly followed the "framework provided by the United States Constitution" it would immediately repeal all existing federal laws adopted regarding "homeschooling" and withdraw this and all other proposed bills having to do with "homeschooling".

Attorney Deborah Stevenson - Executive Director of National Home Education Legal Defense. - www.nheld.com or email : info@nheld.com

Judy Aron - Director of Research, NHELD - imjfaron@sbcglobal.net

Ann Zeise's Article on HoNDA for 2005

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Ann Zeise's site is linked in the sidebar under the 2003 discussion. If you need to find anything out about homeschooling you will most likely find it on her site,A to Z Home's Cool Homeschooling Site. She has a summary of HR 3753 in her article along with links to the discussion on websites and blogs.

Rough Cut Gem

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is in on the action.

Head over to HR3753 blogspot

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to find out where HR 3753 and who to write to make a difference. You can call'em to. It gives those nice people who answer the phone something to do.

Communicating With Elected Officials

2005-10-09T00:43:00.000-05:00

Every time I do a search, while I work on this project I find something new. I just found this webpage and thought people might find it helpful. The post below links to an actual letter that a homeschool mom has sent to Washington D.C. The internet has certainly changed how we can participate in the legislative process.

A letter posted to Rep Chet Edwards

2005-10-09T00:01:00.000-05:00

People are sending in those letters and making those calls. The mom who wrote this letter has 8 reasons she opposed HoNDA. I found this mom sent the same letter to: Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
Sen. John Cornyn
You can see it here

The Washington Natural Learning Assc. (WNLA) on HONDA

2005-10-08T14:26:00.000-05:00

This is from the WNLA webpage:

"HoNDA HAS NO HONOR

Washington Natural Learning Association refuses to endorse the proposed HSLDA bill Home school Non-Discrimination Act, otherwise known as HoNDA."

I think they make their position very clear.

HS Blog

2005-10-07T21:35:00.000-05:00

has a bit on section 10

Unschool Radical shares an email

2005-10-07T21:27:00.001-05:00

Okay, I'm running out of ways to say that another blogger has brought up the BILL. I've been hunting for the thesaurus.

Cross Blogging

2005-10-07T21:27:00.000-05:00

Another blog that has a post on HONDA.

Homeschooling Revolution wrote a letter...

2005-10-07T21:11:00.000-05:00

Scroll down to Oct 5th to see the response she received from Senator Inhofe's office. Maybe politicians should have numerous letters ready to go so the same letter wouldn't be circulating. Send letter a to answer the first email, letter b to answer the the second email. The least they (politicians) could do is shake it up a bit.

Happy As Kings

2005-10-07T12:12:00.000-05:00

has a new post on section 10 (that would be the military part).

Progressive Homeschooler has more to say on HONDA

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I've very much enjoyed her visits to the comments on this blog.

Have you peeked into the comments lately?

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It's getting a bit heated on both sides. The post "I spoke with Senator Inhofe's office today" has some comments worth reading.
There's also a couple of comments under "New Ring Members".
How many of you have read the Higher Education Act? I was really surprised by what was in the act. Scroll down in section 483 to d and checkout section B. I think that someone must have lobbied for that to be put in the bill in 1998. Now look at section 4 of HR 3753. There's a link to Thomas in the sidebar. You have to put the number in every time (could someone fix Thomas so you don't have to do that - maybe we should lobby for that!)Comments anyone?

A couple more tasks off the list

2005-10-05T16:31:00.000-05:00

Wednesdays are my busiest days of the week. However, I did manage to make a couple of calls late this afternoon. I called my US Representative's local office and talked with a very nice woman. She tried to look up HR 3753 in the Congressional Quarterly and on the Congressional Research Service. She couldn't find the bill listed yet and said I could call back and she would assist me some more. She suggested I call Rep. Musgrave's office. I said that I already had and that the legislative assistant who was supposed to call me back has not. I'm still waiting for that phone call.

I also called Senator Durbin's Springfield office. The person who answered the phone was unfamiliar with the bill (s 1691) and needed that title. She asked if I supported it or opposed it and I gave her my answer. I'll follow up with an email.

Tomorrow, the fun continues.

New ring members

2005-10-05T10:53:00.000-05:00

We are up to 7 members in the Homeschool Legislation Watch Web Ring.

1. Homeschooling Freedom - the HONDA Edition Join Date: September 24, 2005 A spin off of Homeschooling Illinois - Legislation & Learning. One stop shopping for links and information to derail HONDA (HR 3753/S1691).
2. Happy_As_Kings Join Date: October 04, 2005
3. Homeschooling Illinois Legislation and Learning Join Date: September 24, 2005 HILL is a blog to come together and work towards keeping Illinois one of the best homeschool states in the nation. All grassroot efforts need a way to communicate to be effective and we hope to use this forum to keep in touch with other homeschoolers and our legislators here in the State of Illinois. We follow both Federal and State Legislation.
4. Somerschool Join Date: October 05, 2005 Truth, Justice, and the Homeschool Way
5. TnHomeEd.com Join Date: October 04, 2005 TnHomeEd.com is a comprehensive network and clearinghouse of homeschooling information specifically for Tennessee parents.
6. North Carolina Homeschool Legislative Issues Join Date: September 25, 2005 This blog is maintained by Homeschool Alliance of North Carolina to provide a resource to empower and inform NC homeschoolers. HA-NC ~Advocating Freedom Through Truth and Knowledge~
7. HEM Editor's Blog Join Date: October 03, 2005 This is the weblog of the managing editor of Home Education Magazine, Helen Hegener, and it is one of four HEM blogs actively tracking legislation and issues affecting homeschooling. HEM has a 23-year history of analyzing political situations which affect homeschooling, often in great depth, and most of the political history covered is online and freely accessible from this blog's sidebar menu.

I spoke with Senator Inhofe's Office

2005-10-04T08:28:00.000-05:00

I just hung up from a very nice discussion with a woman in Senator Inhofe's office. I explained to her that I was calling regarding yesterday's comments from Mr. Somerville on my blog. I told her how I picked out Senator Inhofe for the calling campaign*. This person was very nice and interested in what I had to say. I read her the comments and she asked me who Mr. Somerville was. I explained who he was. She assured me that Senator Inhofe's policy on calls was to log in the issue and tally the for and against calls. She said that two people had that responsibility in the office and that she was one of them. I asked her if it would be fair to categorize that the office was receiving a fair number of calls on both sides of the issue and she said yes. So there you have it folks. Our calls do count and they are being received. I had explained about how I was working on the issue with the blog and she asked for the url. I shared this url and and the one for HR 3753/ S 1691-Homeschool NonDiscrimination Act 2005 with her. I explained to her the diversity of the opinions that I linked to from this blog and I thought it reflected how HSLDA does not speak for all homeschoolers. She assured me that she would speak with the Senator about our conversation. I left the conversation feeling good about our work on this bill. Let's keep those calls and emails going.

*Some letters Sentator Inhofe had written to constituents responding to their opposition to the bill had left those constituents feeling like their views weren't being heard. Another way to put it would be that they felt like the Senator was taking the opinion of The National Center for Home Education over the opinions of his constituency. This came out in the discussion on homeschool blogs, email lists and yahoo groups late last week. So I suggested over at the HR 3753/ S 1691-Homeschool NonDiscrimination Act 2005 that we call Senator Inhofe's office and someone out in blog land picked Monday.

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Can anyone identify this one?

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Pop quiz... Name that butterfly.

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Time out to enjoy the fall flowers.

Progressive Homeschooling Weighs In on HONDA

2005-10-03T22:39:00.000-05:00

Pop on over and take a look. Don't forget to drop a comment and say Hi.

Scott Somerville left this about calling Senator Inhofe's office

2005-10-03T18:03:00.000-05:00

This was over at the HILL blog. "Inhofe's office hasn't noticed any calls as of 11:24, gang. I called them to see how they were doing, and they had received a few emails but no calls they could remember. I've sent them a link to this website so they can see where the calls are coming from. Scott W. Somerville Homepage 10.03.05 - 11:30 am #"

Mr. Somerville, who is a staff lawyer for HSLDA left the above comment on my other blog. He also left similar comments at More than Fine and North Carolina Homeschool Legislative Issues. Leaving the sarcasm in Mr. Somerville's comment aside, the fact that HSLDA is keeping such a close eye on this underscores our conviction that HONDA is a critical issue for homeschooling. Many of us disagree with Senator Inhofe and Mr. Sommerville about the best way to protect homeschooling, and we will continue to promote our cause, even as they promote theirs.

Calling the Finance Committee

2005-10-03T13:10:00.000-05:00

From previous phone calls, my understanding is that s1691 is probably in the taxes subcommittee. This is because of the Coverdell amendment. I think it would be fair to focus some attention there. That would mean calling these people:

SUBCOMMITTEE ON TAXATION AND IRS OVERSIGHT
Jon Kyl, AZ, Chairman Phone: (202) 224-4521
James M. Jeffords, VT, Ranking Member Phone: (202) 224-5141
Trent Lott, MS Phone: (202) 224-6253
Orrin Hatch, UT Tel: (202) 224-5251
Olympia J. Snowe, ME Phone: (202) 224-5344
Mike Crapo, ID Phone: (202) 224-6142
Craig Thomas, WY Phone: 202-224-6441
Rick Santorum, PA phone: 202-224-6324
Max Baucus, MT phone: 202-224-2651,
Kent Conrad, ND Phone: (202) 224-2043
Blanche L. Lincoln, AR Phone: (202)224-4843
Charles Schumer, NY Phone: 202-224-6542

That's just a much more reasonable number of people to contact. Should we pick a date and try and call on the same day?
If you would like the code to post these websites with an open new window target and the contact info, email at: homeschoolillinois [at] insightbb [dot] com

I called Senator Inhofe today

2005-10-03T13:05:00.000-05:00

Did you? I just stated the bill, it's name and said I was opposed and the person who answered the phone said thank you. I was a little surprised. Usually when I call an office they ask my name and where I live. Hmmm. Hopefully we are making an impact today.

I used this number (Phone: 202-224-4721) for his Washington D.C office. You can find the other numbers in a post below.

Homeschool Revolution

2005-10-02T11:14:00.000-05:00

Izzy's thoughts and links on HONDA.

"More Than Fine" jumps into the fray over HR3753

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Check it out.

A call to action...

2005-09-30T10:19:00.000-05:00

I commented this: "Hmmm. perhaps we should organize an effort to call Inhofe's office early next week. Put out the phone number and have everyone call on the same day. I think Monday or Tuesday is a better day to make waves then of Friday when not as much business is conducted. " on the HR 3753/ S 1691-Homeschool NonDiscrimination Act 2005 blog. Well, someone made a decision and we hope to make calls on Monday. This announcement is going out on numerous websites and is up on blogs. Susan put the info up over at the HILL. I'll put that info up here to make it easier for everyone.

Senator Inhofe's contact information from here. I'm going to call the D.C. office because I don't live in Oklahoma. I think if we mainly call one office we'll get more attention than if the calls are distributed over the lines. But, if you can't get through to D.C. call another office.

Senator's Offices

Washington, DC
453 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-3603
Phone: 202-224-4721
Fax: 202-228-0380

Tulsa
1924 S. Utica Avenue
Suite 530
Tulsa, OK 74104-6511
Phone: 918-748-5111
Fax: 918-748-5119

Oklahoma City
1900 NW Expressway
Suite 1210
Oklahoma City, OK 73118
Phone: 405-608-4381
Fax: 405-608-4120

McAlester
215 E. Choctaw
Suite 106 McAlester, OK 74501
Phone: 918-426-0933
Fax: 918-426-0935

Enid
302 N. Independence
Suite 104
Enid, OK 73701
Phone: 580-234-5105
Fax: 580-234-5094

Senator Musgrave's office still hasn't called back. I expect we may try and organize some calls for her also. Stay tuned.

Senator Inhofe responds re: HR 1692:

2005-09-29T19:17:00.000-05:00

Over at the HR 3753/ S 1691-Homeschool NonDiscrimination Act 2005 blog is posted a response from Senator Inhofe. It is under Sept. 29. Unfortunately, with the way the blog is set up I haven't figured out how to link directly to a specific post. If anyone knows, please clue me in. There is also a post about how the legislation might impact Illinois on a Sept. 28 post.

Some questions

2005-09-28T23:41:00.000-05:00

Have people been calling legislative offices? Have you heard any responses from correspondence? I'm hoping to make some calls tomorrow. If you've called, what's your feel for what's going on? Are the people who answer the phone familiar with the bill? If an issue is hot, people who answer the phone in the offices know about the issue. Please drop me a comment or a link to a blog if you can answer my questions.

North Carolina Legislative Issues

2005-09-28T23:36:00.000-05:00

There's quite a bit to read. I don't think I've linked to the 2005 HONDA discussion from N. Carolina.

Links at Atypical Homeschooling

2005-09-28T09:31:00.000-05:00

Atypical homeschooling has put together a neatly organized post on links to the HONDA issue. I'm pretty sure that I've covered them all on my blogs. Go on over and take a look.

Still Waiting

2005-09-27T22:18:00.000-05:00

For the call back from Representative Musgrave's office and the Senate Finance Committee's tax person. I'm not surprised. I'm still working on sample letters. I'll post them when they are complete.

I'm so pleased

2005-09-25T09:44:00.000-05:00

I started a webring for Homeschool Legislation and two people have joined. I'd like to welcome North Carolina Homeschool Legislative Issues. We're still trying to get Valerie's code up and running over at Happy as Kings so that she can join also.

The Backwater Report

2005-09-24T15:42:00.000-05:00

This blog has a two part discussion on HONDA. You can read part one and part two if you click on the hypertext. It seems like those of us who homeschool have a whole lot to say. The author makes some arguments I haven't seen before. The most interesting part about this is that the author states he is a member of HSLDA. Although I don't agree with some of the philosophies, I thought the summary at the end of part two was interesting. Many of the blogs I have seen take the bill apart one section at a time. This author attacks the entire idea of federal intervention.

Homeschooling Legislation Watch Web Ring

2005-09-24T13:52:00.000-05:00

I've just started a web ring to try and hook up all the websites, blogs and organizations together that follow homeschool legislation.

The ring description is:
This is a place to connect websites and blogs who keep abreast of legislation affecting homeschoolers. Our current interest lies in the discussion of the HONDA legislation. I made the ring name generic so it would fit as new legislation is brought forward. This is for all sites that discuss legislation so that we can see both sides of the issue.

The membership recquirements are:
Please only join if you have posts on homeschooling legislation. It doesn't matter if you are a blogger, have a website, are an organization etc. We just want people to be able to connect in the interest of discussion. If you are homeschooling, then you probably have children. Please only try to join if your sites are appropriate for children.

To join: click here

Log in here to edit your information. (If anyone knows of a better link, drop me a comment. I'm new to this.)

Membership List

Link to a random site in the webring.

All right, I'm now supposed to put the code on here. I can't get it to work. I'll return to this issue later. When you join, you get the code.

Bulletins Covering HR 3753/S 1691

2005-09-24T09:32:00.000-05:00

Susan has been busy over on the HILL blogging on some bulletins that were written during the 2003 HONDA battle. She has some links and shares her thoughts.

Hop on over to Agent Tim's

2005-09-23T15:42:00.000-05:00

There's more discussion there.

More on the military part of HONDA

2005-09-23T12:51:00.000-05:00

Valerie Moon is over at HEM working away at explaining the military segment of the HONDA legislation. Go on over and give it a read. She left a trail of bread crumbs in the comments, but I wanted to make sure everyone would see her latest article.

Homeschoolers split over education bill

2005-09-23T12:38:00.000-05:00

Susan offers her commentary on this article over on the HILL

Homeschoolers debate Homeschool Non-Discrimination Act

2005-09-23T11:51:00.000-05:00

Chris O’Donnell’s blog is stimulating the discussion about HONDA. If nothing else, Chris' fisking is the most entertaining discussion of this issue.

HR 3753/ S 1691-Homeschool NonDiscrimination Act 2005

2005-09-23T11:39:00.000-05:00

Another blog devoted to this issue. Two of us must be thinking along the same lines. Does anyone know about anymore blogs devoted to this issue?

Chicago-style voting

2005-09-23T09:04:00.000-05:00

There were some voting irregularities over at Atypical Homeschooling. The owners of the poll discovered the ballot box was being stuffed. The poll was moved to a new location.

Hurry up and Wait

2005-09-22T15:15:00.000-05:00

I've spent some time doing research today. My goal was to lay out a timeline for the bills going through the committee process. Hah! So far, no one has been able to tell me anything and my phone bill gets larger and larger. I called the Senate Finance Committee majority phone number. The first lesson I learned is that before you call someone you have to know everything about the bill you are asking about. You must have it in your hands with pertinent information highlighted. The person who answered the phone figured I had called the wrong committee. After much discussion is was decided that I needed to talk to someone in "taxes". I could have saved myself on the phone bill if I had known why the bill was in that committee. The result of all that talking was I have to wait for a call back. Since it is now 4:19 in Washington DC and no one has called back, I'm guessing that isn't going to happen today.

Then I phoned the House Education and Workforce Committee. There is some lag time between my last round of calls. I needed to get my ducks in a row and guess at what parts of the bill sent it to that committee. Notes were taken and I made the call. Absolutely no help there on a timeline for when the bill would go before the committee. It was pointed out to me that I could use the dropdown box at the top of the screen that says "legislation" to find out what was going on once something was happening with the bill. That's good to know so I guess it wasn't a total waste of time and money to make that phone call.

I then called Senator Grassley's office since he is the Chairmen of the Senate Finance Committee. I thought I would attack the problem from a different direction. I got the impression that the office was not flooded with calls or letters about this bill. The person who answered the phone was unfamiliar with the bill. It was decided that I should be turned over to "someone in taxes". I'd left a message there already during my first call of the day. I guess I'm now calling in circles. How does anyone accomplish anything in Washington? You start to understand why there are paid lobbyists.

I tried tactic number three for today. I called the contact number on the press release from Representative Marilyn Musgrave's office to ask some questions. The nice person who answered the phone and I quickly came one conclusion. The email the offices sends out to answer questions about the bill was not going to answer my questions. Off I went to voice mail, again. I left a message for Representative Musgrave's legislative assistant. I'm guessing I won't get a call back today.

Tommorrow is another day and I'll try to make more calls to provide people with more information.

Poll on HONDA

2005-09-21T10:44:00.000-05:00

Go on over and vote. Scroll down, it's in the right sidebar. Only 5 people have voted so far and I'm one of them.

2005-09-20T13:10:00.000-05:00

Home Education Magazine has posted on HONDA in the news and commmentary section.

2005-09-19T10:15:00.000-05:00

This is a blog devoted to the discussion of the HONDA legislation (Home School Non-Discrimination Act of 2005 To amend selected statutes to clarify existing Federal law as to the treatment of students privately educated at home under State law) that is in committees in the United States House of Representatives and Senate. The bills are HR 3753 in the House and S1691 in the Senate. The legislation is being pushed by HSLDA. I am hoping to help organize opposition to this legislation. It will take me some time to get all the pieces in place. I'm trying to assemble all the links to discussions on blogs. I hope to get some sample letters to help people write opposition letters to committee members.

Currently S1691 is in the Senate Finance Committee. HR3753 is in House Education and the Workforce Committee, House Ways and Means Committee,and the House Armed Services Committee.

If you know of any links I need to add please let me know. If you would be willing to share a sample letter, that would be excellent. You can comment or send an email to homeschoolillinois [at] insightbb [dot] com.